This Ame-Comi Girls version is terrific. What would the 20-year-old version look like, in the same animated drawing style in a "modern" look like as any type of mask or civilian?
I suppose DC is planning on either turning her into Catgirl or keeping her only as a civilian not allowing her to realize her full potential. Although if the Songbird theme continues like Catbird, Bluebird, Lark... There are other Songbirds like Starling, Nightingale... and did you know there is such a thing called a Yellow Robin as well? (Eastern Yellow Robin) The ordinary Robin character I think is named after the North American Common Robin, but the Eastern Yellow Robin, rarer, can also be found. I feel stupid for not knowing that it existed before until I googled types of Songbirds. The Songbird name theme makes me think that DC has been secretly bird watching.
I understood that part of the idea of Carrie Kelley in the universe of Dark Knight Returns was to, as the documentary with the animated movie described her in "Her Name is Carrie Kelley...Her Role is Robin," as a speaker says on camera, to have a "female that could succeed the role of a male". Being in the role of Robin, an heir to Batman, meant to me, that part of Miller's original concept was to tell a story that showed that a female character, Carrie, could grow with the capacity to not simply succeed the former male Robin before her, but to also have the capacity to succeed the Batman and be equal to him. In the course of the documentary, a speaker says that "you can't talk about Carrie Kelley without also talking about Wonder Woman" because part of the idea of Carrie Kelley was to "put her on the same pedestal" was Wonder Woman. At this point, however, it seems that whatever vision Miller had at the time, was and is still abandoned by DC Comics regarding this new canon version of the character,... at least until further notice.... I always like to watch the documentary with the Part1 and Part2 DVD movie because it allows for a peak into the original vision and symbolic purpose and function of the character which I am doubting is part of the vision of the canon-Carrie.
A parallel that the Ame-Comi Girls universe draws from TDKR is that she makes an early decision to recruit help to rescue Batgirl that ultimately cascades overtime to the foundation of the all female Justice League in that universe. Meanwhile in TDKR, she likewise makes a decision to found and lead the Sons of Batman and its Batboys to help Batman by the end of the story and is carried over into DK2 regardless of her being Catgirl. Frankly, (no pun intended), the Ame-Comi universe, which, like Millers Earth 31, has not been included in the new "Muliverse-canon" in Multiversity, is the only other storyline that extends some form of respect to this character concept of Carrie Kelley.
Most other references or appearances of a version named or unnamed but made to look like Carrie have come across to me as more or less jokes or gimmicks made out of Frank Miller's concept of the character with the exception of the "Civilian-only" 13-year-old unnamed lookalike in "Legends of the Dark Knight" episode in the New Adventures of Batman and Robin.
Looks like Tim's replacement (I like you pretend Damien Wayne doesn't exist) nice. And you are right about Miller and the current writers. No one gets the fact that the man of steel and maid of might are the most human superheroes out there. We don't want them being part of worlds they never knew we want to see them kicking *ss and being super awesome, if they have any angst it should come from the fact that they can't help everyone with the problems they need help with that aren't world saving from invasion or disaster.Wonder Woman's writers don't get that she's the spirit of Truth so she shouldn't be a cutesy-stereotype. She should be portrayed as a princess ambassador coming to change things for the better peacefully. Each of the main seven have a single trait or idea that describes them. Superman is hope, Batman is justice WW is truth GL is courage Flash isheart J'onn is loyalty and Aquaman is responsibility. Why don't the writers get that?
I decided to wait a bit before posting a comment, because your description actually stirred a lot of conflicting thoughts and feelings in me regarding the character and her creator. So, forgive the length, but I wanted expand on this.
I really love your redesign of Carrie! I like how she has elements of the Young Justice and current incarnations of Robin, and even has the cool and trendy highlights to make her look even more badass. That said, I actually liked Miller's design of Carrie, mostly because she DOESN'T look at all like Robin or a Robin-like character. She looks more like an everyday girl, and that's partly the appeal because she seems average but is intelligent, resourceful, tough and brave. To sum up, I love both versions for different reasons.
Now, regarding Miller himself, because of your description I hesitated to comment or ask any questions simply because I didn't know how, and waited to see your replies to gauge how I would express my own feelings. Not to say I didn't have a good idea of WHY you described him as such (as it turned out my guess was right) I wanted to play it safe. Now that I'm certain...
"Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is the only work of Miller's I've actually read, so I would never have called myself a fan of his. More that I admired his take and interpretation of the character in this individual story. But from what I know of his later work, he has definitely gotten caught in the trap many writers have by staying with a particular style of storytelling and then degenerating into a more base version of it. His stories have become overwhelmingly gritty and harsh in their characterizations, his depictions of women are overly sexualized, trivialized and maligned, and the tone is ruthless in their worldview.
Despite this, his later work does not diminish my appreciation for this one story he did. I've come to terms with liking his one early success before he devolved into a cruel, savage writing style. The same way people can still like the Mad Max movies even after Mel Gibson was exposed as an anti-Semitic, racist psychopath.
Once again, sorry for the long-ass comment, but I felt compelled to write in length on this.
No, don't apologize it was a good comment. I just never liked him. I first encountered him in Daredevil and I thought his art sucks hard. People when on and on about how great it was, but I never liked it. Then he did his Dark Knight stuff, which people seem to think that's so great, but I'm with Neil Adams... Miller doesn't get Batman at all, nor do I think he gets Superman. (then again neither do the New 52 writers... ugh). So I wasn't into that story (the best of his career) either. It wasn't like I jumped on the Bash Miller bandwagon, it was mainly that I saw that I could draw better than him and it pissed me off he gets published. (Then again, he actually makes an effort to, while I just complain about it on the internet). But that's was the first reason. The secondary reason is he's sexist... and that's compared to an industry that's all about the T&A, lol. I just can't stand him. BUT I've always liked the idea of having a female Robin.... mainly cause I'm a girl and Robin has always been my favorite superhero. So the idea of Carrie Kelley is great for me. But not the actual character... just the idea. So I liked the Ame-Comi version of Carrie better, where she's Batgirl's sidekick more-or-less.
Cool design. I miss the glasses, you don't see too many heroes with those, but they wouldn't be practical. Miller always leaves me feeling conflicted, I love his art style, Sin City one of my fav series, his daredevil run was great, but anytime I hear anything related to him now I just get disgusted. I just hope he doesn't say something stupid and fuck up Sin City 2 for Rodriguez. When I first read Sin City, I thought he was trying to make a weirdly empowering book, since the old town girls where hookers, but were tough and more morally just than the cops, church, and government in that book. Then every single fucking female is a whore or willing to give up her body. So annoying, he really should just stick to art and let others write, but his ego is too great. I also love that Moore called Miller a misogynist, when I don't think he's written a story were there isn't some instance of rape. Sucks when talented people turn out to be assholes. At least Mike Mignol seems to be a solid guy.
Calling Miller a sexist and misogynist in the comic industry is hilarious, as 96% of women in comics are walking T&A billboards. So when people single HIM out over the crowd, that's really means something. Those other guys just draw sexy bodies.... Miller goes leaps and bounds beyond that.
I think Miller has earned his sexist and misogynist label more for his comments than his art. His art is no more T & A based than any one else's and at least most of his females can fight and aren't always just damsels in distress. I one thing you could give him credit for in his early work was that he at least created racially diverse women. He is basically a dinosaur who wasn't smart enough to evolve into a bird and is to stubborn to become a fossil. It seems like he is bitter about something, what I can't tell seeing as he is universally considered a master, has plenty of money, and still has plenty of fans. Guy seems bitter and seems to think women and the damn 99%er are somewhat at fault for him not being worshiped or something. He still makes great art and I would give anything to have a style that cool, but I'll stick to rereading Sin City and hopefully he doesn't make any more comics and just keeps working with Rodriguez, he seems to be able to keep Miller's crazy in, probably because he knows his movies will make him money. I'll give my money to Hickman and Francovilla, their talented and don't seem to be assholes.
Frank Miller is one of those guys who used to do good work but then went crazy like John Byrne. Both of them lost their shit once the 90's rolled around. Alan Moore has taken the scenic route to madness in my opinion i.e. his most recent tirade against the fans who love his work.
This design is based more on the Ame-Comi version of the character. I don't really liked Frank Miller's design of her (I don't really like Frank Miller in general.) Anyway, if she were to exist, this is how I'd make her. (BTW she's in New 52 now... cause why the fuck not?)