Below I did a drawing like 5 years ago of Tim Drake in the Teen Titan's art-style. Since then I've made various other versions of the same theme, but I thought I'd go back and re-vist my old design and update it. I still think my revamp costume is better, (I'm not a fan of Black/Red color schemes) but it's always fun to look back. As you can tell, this is a mix between TT's Nightwing and Robin's costume from the horrible film Batman and Robin. Robin's boots are oddly enough a mixture between Robin, Cyborg, and Beast Boy.
Tim Drake/Robin was created by Marv Wolfman and Pat Broderick for DC Comics. As such I do not own the character.
Although this design is in my personal tastes I don't think it's "timmy" style... if I may ask what inspired this design? I mean, I see that it's the redo mostly from that first example, but it really doesn't suit him, I don't think...
I've been having a similar problem in the same field. I adore Timmy, but translating him into "Teen Titan" style is difficult... I was going to use the spikes on the gloves, too, but I'm really rethinking it... it's not in line with the formula for the show, except perhaps under certain circumstances, which I don't think Timmy applies for. In looking at your first attempt, I think I agree with the metal bands on his arms maybe not so "slade" looking, but maybe so. Nightwing had them in the future episode, and others share a few "Slade-esk" fashions in the show...
I also was wrestling with his hair. He's always had kind of that swept forward look that's featured mostly in "Batman the Animated Series", though they went a bit far in making it "big" looking. I was going to make Timmy's hair a "forward and back" look, but now I'm not too sure... I was thinking that his personality should be established first, since the show is known to reinvent people to fit a precise role while maintaining their key traits. With his personality set, it's easier to figure what he'd wear. Though that doesn't explain Raven's fashion sense... >.>
ah, but now I'm rambling a tad. (ok, more than a tad sorry...) but, yeah, back to my question. I was hoping your reasoning for this design would help me iron out the details in my own attempts to make Timmy in TT art style. I read that the boots were a combo of other characters (love the boots, BTW) but do you mind discussing what inspired you for the rest of this?
Well when I first did the picture, I wanted to do the next generation of titans: [link] . But Teen Titans's Dick had stolen practically everything about Tim... even his bo-staff So I thought I'd just go ahead and steal Dick's design from the film Batman and Robin, with Nightwing elements. Going back for the redesign, I had gotten better at doing Titan characters, plus I wanted to add a Batman Beyond influence.
To be honest I hate both designs. I don't like black/red color schemes. My preferred re-design for Tim is in this picture I did [link] . The problem is, Teen Titans took Tim's look and personality and said their version was Dick Grayson. On my approach from the link I thought "okay, I'll steal from Damian's outfit". Personality wise, I'd keep him the same character he was in Teen Titans. They pulled of Tim really well, even though he Dick.
I agree that they have a lot of Timmy in the TT Robin, I think they wanted a combo. So, there's a bit of all 3 Robins (perhaps TT Robin would have turned out a tad darker of Damien had existed in 2003 ) in Richard so that they could round him out more for his intended role. But Timmy is more laid back and more analytical. Richard always raged against his darkness while at the same time merging with it, creating "temper issues" that are more potent than in normals people. Timmy is partly in denial of his darkness, or I should say, of his "true self" as he tries to be more "normal". Considering that TT Robin/Richard is such a careful balance of the 3 Robins, albeit while being more of "himself" than Timmy and Jason, I was planning on creating an openning in the TT plot for Timmy, I was going to keep Timmy's base traits while molding him into the openning's emotional requirements. I dont think I need to change much about him, except perhaps making his even MORE laid back than he already is. ((by "openning in the plot" I dont mean for real, as I'm part of the "Season 6 is ours" group, this Timmy thing is just for fun))
I was thinking that he contradicts Robin/Richard's "darker" and "more heated" personality with his own more easy-going personality. In this little pocket-TT-world, Timmy has as much admiration for Batman and Robin as ever and so wouldnt want to upstage his hero, Richard. He wouldnt be called "Robin" but still carries the "R" (I like the idea of using the "R" on the belt buckle I hadnt thought of that) I definitely wanted the colors red, black, and yellow (inside the cape), as it's what Timmy's most well known for sporting, so he just goes by the name "Red"--always wearing more red than anything else. Of course the "R" stands for "Robin", but he doesnt want to tell Richard or the Titans that because he doesnt want to infringe on anything. This plot twist is against most other medias wherein Richard either brings Timmy into the Robin role himself, or Richard knows about Timmy right away. Here, Richard is clueless, but feels challenged by Timmy, despite that Tim only came around to help out a little and be something of a fanboy for a short while. In "Batman Hush" Timmy gives Bruce some "advice on girls" (telling Bruce to shave before unmasking for Catwoman) so I was going to enhance that a bit, giving him a dash of courtesy to his mannerisms. Just not going to any extremes. Being "polite" means being reserved and always on your toes, which isnt the "easy going" trait that I want to be stronger in Tim. I had a couple of reasons for not wanting to nickname him "Red", one being the Red X, having already taken the word "Red". But it was really the other Titans that called Timmy "Red" when he was reluctant to tell them his name but he carries the "R" and has a lot of red on him, plus it opens the door for a Red X joke and an encounter with Red X for Timmy. Plus Timmy is "Red Robin" eventually. I thought the nickname "Red" would help that new name along when he cant be "Robin" anymore to the Richard/Batman.
I hadnt intended to carry this little fan-plot any more than a few scenes, but in developing Timmy's TT persona things just kinda kept going...
Anyrate, I think I have a better idea what direction I want TT Timmy to go in thank you very much! aaaaand that was a lot of reading for you, I'm sorry.... well, to balance that out I guess I'll ask you who your favorite character in the show is Though I usually ask "fave hero and fave villain" because we all want to see our faves fighting each other, so you may as well have a favorite opponent for your favorite character.
Sometimes Raven is my favorite, other times it's Robin. But since I'm founder of the I guess I should go with Raven as my favorite hero. My favorite villain is probably Terra. To be honest, I've never been a villain person, unless I can get into their motivations. Most of the time people are bad just because. It's always harder for me to come up with villains because I don't think like that. However, if I had super-powers, I'd probably be a villain because... hey there isn't anyone to stop me and stop crime won't pay... if nothing else I'd get sued for property damage, indecent exposure due to my costume, manslaughter charges from the thief, or some crap. So might as well be a villain.
I can only "think like a villain" if I have "good" motivations. Like... I'll rob a bank to give the Titans exercize and make them think, but not really to rob the bank. I can analzye a terrible person's mind, but it'll never make sense to me.
I never thought about the indecent exposure thing but I guess wearing one's underwear on the outside would have drawbacks eventually. Being a villain is more fun even actors say so about the roles they play in movies.
it makes me wonder what your cosume would be that you'd ger sued for indecent exposure like "Koriand'r" skimpy or what?
The [link] is a picture someone asked me to do. They basically wanted to know what I'd be like if I had superpowers and was in Teen Titans. SO I did that picture. Oddly enough I really like the design and concept, but I've never drawn the character again. I guess I don't want to boost my already inflated ego?
Tim is the best Robin there ever was, Dick who pioneered the role is the only other good one. I'm not a fan of black and red either but those look good on Tim, green looked out of place for him. Though the titans could use more blue in their color scheme now hardly anyone wears it.