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Return to Neverland Thoughts

Journal Entry: Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:01 PM
I was in the shower (mainly trying to warm up as it's fucking freezing today) and my mind drifted to Return to Neverland, Disney's sequel to Peter Pan.  What you might not know about me is that when I was a little girl I was obsessed with Peter Pan.  Not just the movie, but all things related - the book, the play, Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates, and even Hook.  I SOOOO wanted Peter to come to my window and make me a Lost Girl.  I also wanted to hang out with Tinker Bell and hook up with Tigerlily.  So you can imagine my delight when I heard about the sequel to Disney's Peter Pan.  When I saw it though.... 

Spoilers  (Even though it's a 2002 Film for Christ-sake).

The film itself isn't that bad.  The animation is great, and you can tell that the whole staff worked very hard in trying to capture that 1953 feel to it, from the art style to the voice acting.  But the fucking writers.  Here's the problem:

They want the premise of the sequel to be about a little girl (Jane) who should embrace her childhood and not focusing on growing up.  Fine.  Great idea.  But they set that little girl smack in the middle of a World War.  Not good.  Worst of all, every scene with the mother (Wendy) shows her acting like a child and not being very responsible.  So it's up to Jane to grow up and play the adult since her mother is too busy reliving her glory years.  The first act is basically showing us Jane going through the hardships of getting rations, listening to radio communication on air raid movements, and making sure her mom and brother are safe from fucking bombs.  Wendy, on the other hand, is scolding her daughter for being too adult.  

You see the problem here?  Let me spell it out for you if you don't.  Anything that happens in Neverland is completely useless now, because the problem isn't Jane not wanting to be a kid, it's everyone else ignoring the fact she's the one keeping the family together.  The REAL problem is Wendy not being a good mother.  If she were, Jane wouldn't have had to step up in the first place.  And you get the impression the writers caught this on pretty late in the game, as when Jane comes back from Neverland her war-hero dad comes home on leave.  We don't know if he's injured or how long he's staying, but some adult figure is there so Jane can be a kid... for a few days at least.

So all the magical stuff that is happening to Jane in Neverland is ruined by this little fact.  The audience is with Jane who wants to just go home, because lord knows if Wendy is playing hop-scotch in the yard while fucking bombs are falling over head.  And the real pathetic thing about it is that if you change ONE thing, the film works.  Here it is, and it's a shocker:  Jane's family should not be in the middle of a FUCKING WAR ZONE!  Not so shocking?  Oh, because it's fucking obvious.  

The film just should be about an uptight little girl who's playing the adult for no reason other than she wants to grow up.  NOW the Neverland stuff works.  You want Jane to experience the magic that Peter Pan shows her, because she has no war responsibilities.  The lesson the film wants to convey now works.  

(Oh and the stupid c-rate 90s pop songs that wouldn't even fly in the 90s suck too.)

Anyway, those are my thoughts on Return to Neverland, a film that happened 12 years ago... 



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Movie-Man Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013
Also, I can't believe I forgot to mention this; why the fuck an octopus to replace the crocodile?
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't mind that, it was an okay character, but it was a direct rip-off.  It would have been nice if he was a different character, but essentially he was exact the same.  If you're going to replace the character, it should be something different, not just the same thing.
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Movie-Man Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013
That's it though, why use the fucking octopus if it's going to do the exact same thing as the crocodile?
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Movie-Man Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013

Believe it or not, I saw this film in theaters. Yeah, a waste of money on the part of my folks and it was my idea. Fuck me.

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Okay to play devil's advocate, the WWII idea isn't a bad one-just poorly executed. It acted more like set decoration if anything, just to raise the stakes-at least to the writers it did. Jane's not bad as a character until she fell for Hook's deception. Really? They set her up to be intelligent, she's not stupid; in fact I like her better when she was acting like an adult but I don't know, they needed something for the plot.

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pewternatural Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your ability to become angry is always amusing. I used to really like Peter Pan, then in 6th grade we were all forced to take part in putting together a Peter Pan play. I mean forced to, I tried to quit and was not allowed, they called my mom in. So yeah, here we are in an inner city school with some of the worst test scores in the state and in stead of spending time on math and reading skills, we waste 2 months on a pointless play. So yeah that tainted my view of the movie for awhile.
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would have loved to of done a play about Peter Pan when I was a kid... but since I'm a girl I probably could only be Wendy :(  
(side note: in high school and college I was in the drama club/drama major and acted in several plays)
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pewternatural Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually a lot of the girls played Native American girls who were Tigerlily's underlings and Capt. Hook was played by a girl, I think Peter Pan might have been a girl too, but I can't remember, too long ago. 
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daredevinho Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Now that you've grown up, it's too late dear. Hehe :p
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daredevinho Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah, it's fine. Kids have high pitched voices, so if you dress properly, nobody is going to notice you're a girl. Plus, the audience can also use their imagination, like "oh i know it's a girl playing a boy's role, but either way is fine - OH LOOK HE'S FLYING".
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KaykayTsutsu Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
Geez, and I thought Hook could be kind of dark! (And remains one of my favorite movies ever.)

Well, I'm not sure if this was really MEANT to be dark, but based on that description, yeah, really bad choices by the writers if they wanted happy feelings times.
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tf-mistress Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
The weird thing is that the movie itself wasn't really dark after the war intro. It's like the film wants you to forget it happened
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SamuraiEchidna Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
Never saw it, but your description of a an adult Wendy as an overgrown woman child who probably needs some counseling or mental help just cracks me up. I can almost see her going outside to play hopscotch, and if the bombs don't get her, then throwing her back out or breaking an ankle or something just might do it! ... Peter Pan, ladies and gentlemen! Think wonderful thoughts. :XD:
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lmfao, that's a hilarious image.
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DARKZADARPRIME Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
around the start of  the time when cgi animation was  taking over the big screen while traditional line animation was reduced to direct to video release and all those sequels to classic films  some of which  should not have been made 
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, it was around that time.  I remember thinking that Bambi II was well animated at the time, but like the original had next to no plot to speak of.  Return to Neverland isn't that bad either and tried to be faithful to the original feel... but the fucking pop songs totally take you out of it.  Having said that I think these are loads better than Little Mermaid II, Pocahontas II, Mulan II, Hunchback of Notre Dame II, Atlantis II: Milos Adventure, Cinderella II, all the Aladdin sequels, and whatever else they shit out for a profit. At least with Bambi II and Return to Neverland they were trying.
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SailorLuna101 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
I liked the movie for the most part, but I liked the original most. I also don't like what they've done to Peter Pan in Once Upon A Time. It's so strange, to be honest.
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ZeroKing2015 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
Have you ever read Peter Pan in Scarlet?
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PrimeKage Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
It's been so long since I've watched this, so I didn't remember half this stuff. Funny to read though.
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Menocu Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
This movie was one step above the DVD sequels Disney would churn out in the following years but still not up to their quality.  And I've always loved Tinkerbell. 

On another note, Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates was an awesome series.  It sucks that I can find every retro show from my childhood on TV somewhere except that one.  And it never came out on DVD here in the U.S. either.  It is an underrated classic that I wish I could get copies of.
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates while I liked it, didn't feel like "the real Peter Pan" to me.  I don't know why.  I liked their Peter's design over Disney's, but I didn't like everyone else's, most notably Tinker Bell.  So that kept me from liking it as much as I could have.  The lost boys were okay...
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Sky-Streak Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
Perhaps Wendy never fully recovered from the mental trauma of being abducted as a child?
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Glee-chan Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LMFAO!  You just made my fucking day! lol >.<
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2wingo Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, that always rubbed me the wrong way. I sat there thinking "What is Wendy ON right now? Has she somehow forgotten that they're in the middle in the fucking BLITZ?"
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